Legendary meta discussion

Eques feel like an S/A tier choice as well, from what I've seen and heard from better players. Also, when possible, throwing in some Onagers is really helpful. Scorpios seem pretty bad so far and it'll probably get more buffs. I haven't played nearly enough with any other civ to really say anything else, though.

 

So, I would put Norse Calv at A tier - Horsemen with Finnulfr. They become really tanky and you can easily get in and destroy key structures (TCs, production building) BUT they fall quite far behind Berserkers in terms of their ability to wipe out armies (It's not anywhere near close to the Berserker's ability to just annihilate most army, but it is quite strong vs heavy Calv such as Cataphracts and Elephants which Berserkers have slight trouble with).

I would put Celt Calv at S tier - With Commontorios you go with a Horseman/Carpentom mix. Carpentoms really rain down the damage - With their baseline Splash, they can dish out incredible amounts of damage quickly. Celtic Horseman are quite tanky, and like the Norse Calv, can get in to destroy key structures quickly.

 

I think your list is a decent starting point. There have been some meta shifts however due to advisor changes/additions and what have you.

It is a bit challenging giving an overall tier list because the actual tier is very dependent on the quest being played itself so I'll try my best to keep that in mind.

I've used your list and have adjusted it with some comments below each civ to give some insight.

Greek

1. Hoplites & Gastra/Tox S TIER (Tank & Ranged DPS)
2. Hoplites and Ballistas S- TIER (Tank & Siege)
3. Hypaspist + Ballista S- TIER (Melee DPS + Siege)
4. Hippikons A-S TIER (Melee DPS)
5. Priests A+ TIER (Converting)
6. Toxotes/Gastra & Palin A+ TIER (Ranged DPS)
7. Soma & heliopolis uninstall TIER

Many easier legendary quests can be do with a ranged ball + palin. Also Hippikons can run train through a lot of legendaries. However overall the best comp for completing almost all legendaries is meat shield + ranged/siege. You can have a hoplite meat shield with tox/gastra and some ballista as well. Pure ballista with Themis advisor and Hoplites works very well in maps with tighter/narrow paths such as VoK. They suffer in open maps but I think it's still a ridiculously strong combo. Hoplites perform even better now with new advisors like Lycurgus. The new advisor affecting Hypas has skyrocketed them into viability and they have become a great choice especially in Roman legendaries.


Egypt

1. Elephants S TIER (Melee DPS/Tank)
2. Infantry + Catapults S TIER ( Melee DPS/Siege)
3. Elephant Archers A TIER (Ranged DPS)
4. Chariot Archers/Camels B TIER (Melee/Ranged DPS)

Despite Khepri nerfs Elephants are still the powerhouse for this civ however with the addition of Sobek's their infantry has become extremely strong especially backed with some catapults. The infantry outperform Elephants in many quests. Elephant archers are decent and Chariot and Camel are lagging a bit behind. There is a new advisor for Camels however I have not tested it but from heresay it hasn't been too impactful on their performance.


Celt

1. Champion/Longswords + Druids S TIER (Melee DPS)
2. Horsemen A-S TIER (Melee DPS)
3. Woads A-S TIER (Melee DPS)
4. Celt bowmen & Throwers A TIER (Ranged DPS)

The Brann nerf has had an impact for sure on Woads. They aren't the powerhouse they used to be however they are still able to clean up the majority of quests with relative ease. Champions with Druids and Longswords with Druids are extremely strong. The new Longsword advisor makes them very viable.

Horsemen are very strong with the new advisor Cavarus which gives them like an 11 second train time. Can also add in a few Carpentoms to deal with strong ranged units or for some general AOE damage. Archers received a buff with the new advisor Ambiorix and are a solid choice as well albeit generally slower.


Norse

1. Berserkers+Ulf+Wardogs S TIER (Melee DPS/Tank)
2. Horsemen S TIER (Melee DPS)
3. Berserkers A-S Tier (Melee DPS)
4. Throwing Axeman/Harjar A-B TIER (Melee DPS)

The most consistent and well performing comp for very high end legendaries for myself personally is Berserkers + Ulfs + Wardogs with Vemundr as age 4 advisor. However for most other legendaries berserker spam and also Norse Horsemen spam with Finnulfr advisor works extremely well and is quicker. Axemen and Harjars received new advisors and perform adequately but cannot be compared to the S tier builds. Can also build some tanky archers with the new advisor for memes.


Persian

1. Immortals S+ TIER (Melee/Ranged)
2. Bowmen + Spara shield S TIER (Ranged DPS)
3. Cataphracts + Mounted Archer A-S TIER (Melee DPS / Ranged DPS)
4. Priest + Palin A+ TIER (wololo)
5. War Wagons A TIER (Ranged DPS)

Immortals are the answer to almost every quest in existence unless there's a no infantry optional. With Esfandiyar they are really strong. Bowmen balls and Bowmen/Spara is also very strong especially with the addition of advisors like Kaveh and Bahram. Cataphracts shred many quests but adding some mounted archers to deal with strong anti-cavalry units is great too. Priests would be S+ tier ofc but many quests have a no priest optional. War Wagons are mostly unchanged and are a solid pick albeit a bit slower and also quite susceptible to very strong cavalry like eles.


Babylon

1. Chariot Archers S+ TIER (Ranged DPS)
2. Lancers S TIER (Melee DPS)
3. Royal Guards + Palins A-S TIER (Melee DPS)
4. RG + Sappers A+ TIER (Melee DPS)
5. Priests S/A TIER (Converting)

Chariot archers are probably arguably the strongest unit for Babs with the Sargon advisor. Lancers are very close behind. As with cataphracts, you can also mix in some mounted archers with Lancers to combat tough anti-cavalry units or tough cav units in general for example elephants/Gallic horsemen/Eques. Sappers got a good buff with some advisor reworks and also with the addition of Makru as an advisor they are even more lethal for buildings. There are also builds centered around Siege towers however I have not personally tested so I can't provide a tier.


Rome

1. Legion + Aquilifier + Primus + Clinicus + Onager S TIER
2. Gallic + Eques Spam with some officers A-S TIER
3. Officer meat shield (with crassus) + siege back line and legions A-S TIER
4. Officers + Legions + Cretan Bowmen + siege A-S TIER
5. Scorpio Spam with some meat shield A-B TIER (not tested personally)
6. Generally any single unit spam B-C tier

As you can see Romans break away from the usual meta quite heavily. They have army compositions that work in lieu of single unit spams. The performance of some of the top tier comps are reliant on the availability of legendary advisors however.

 

Not a problem. You can use the list however you like and feel free to add or adjust anything you see fit. It's mostly based on my opinion so I'm sure there is room for change/disagreement.

Yeah the game has certainly changed quite a bit and all for the better too. Lots more viable units and comps

 

My tierlist:

Greeks
1. Hoplites/Hypaspists + Ballista with Themistokles - S tier
2. Toxotes with Alexander - S tier
3. Hippikons with Apollonius - S tier
4. Gastraphetes with any advisor - A tier
5. Priests - A tier
6. Prodromos with Apollonius - A tier
7. Hoplites/Hypaspists + Ballista with Seleucus - A tier


Egyptians
1. Infantry and Catapults with Sobek - S tier
2. Elephants and Catapults - S tier
3. Elephants with Khepri or Hatshepsut- S tier
4. Elephant Archers with Sekheth - A tier
5. Chariots + Catapults with Seth- A tier
6. Priests - A Tier


Celts
1. Champions + Druids with Brennos - S tier
2. Woad Raiders with Brann - S tier
3. Longswords with Acichorios - S tier
4. Horsemen with Comontorios - A tier
5. Bowmen with Ambiorix - A tier
6. Carpentom with Comontorios - B tier


Persians
1. Immortals with Esfandiyar - S tier
2. Magus - S tier
3. Bowmen with Kaveh - A tier
4. Bowmen with Timo - A tier
5. War Wagon + Sparabara with Xerxes - A tier
6. Cataphracts with Garshasp - A tier
7. Takabara with Rostam - A tier
8. Asabara with Rostam - A/B tier


Romans
1. Legionaries with Caesar - S tier
2. Legionaries+Officers with Crassus - S tier
3. Legionaries with Pompey - S tier
4. Pontifex - S tier
5. Gallic Horsemen with Pompey - S tier
6. Eques with Pompey - A tier
7. Gallic Horsemen with Mark Anthony - A tier
8. Legionaries+Siege with Vitruvius - A tier

Keep in mind you always want to have Onagers, Aquilifers, Clinici and Primus when possible when playing romans


Babylonians
1. Lancers + Mounted Archers with Nebuchadnezzar - S tier
2. Chariot Archers with Sargon - S tier
3. Priests - S tier
4. Siege Towers + Royal Guards with Amytis - A tier
5. Royal Guards with Zu - A tier
6. Sappers with Zopyrus- (tbd)


Norse
1. Infantry + Dogs mix with Vemundr - S tier
2. Horsemen with Finnulfr - S tier
3. Berserker - A tier
4. Harjar with Beorix - A/B tier
5. Throwing Axemen with Bjorn or Vemundr - A/B tier
6. Raiders with Ingrid - B tier
7. Bowmen with Timo - B tier


I didn't bother mentioning all the B and C tiers because they aren't that interesting and viable

 

Whats is your stuff on War dogs and ulfhedinn with vermundr please ? You do harjars ?

 

https://unitstats.projectceleste.com/?build=729c2a54c632c718c83cd574ef20a0b31ac35ef8fee1c3c781710540

I don't usually add Harjars with this build.

 

Sorry, but i dont see War dog on link. Berserk, ulfhedinn and spearmen

 

Weird. Anyway, the gear is:
Cyprus Cohort Heavy Spear
Athena's Blessed Tunic of Defense
Greaves of the Ice King

 

Ok i see, thx for your answer