Empire points: why?

hi m8,

well m8, i cant agree with increasing of ep rewards for most of the part.
as long as we have ep rewarded for war effords,

cuz. look:

6x level40 civs: 2x war efford each day makes: 1080ep daily.
and thats only war efford, i dont even talk about quests.

that means, u have a way here to change ur coin into ep, if u want so.

and when u have too much ep, u have also the ability to change it into coins.
ep store weekly rotation makes it possible, by buying leg items and sell for coins.
also dont forget about riches of the empire, available to buy @epstore, if u need more coin.

and when i look at it, how much ep/coin possible to earn, i cant agree with decreasing vanity cost etc. for me personally 40ep for each vanity is not expensive.
change the cost from ep into coin, is another point/discussion, might be better, idk. not my decision

that was for pve. and yh looks like, that i am not a friend of increasements, nothing to do, thats my serious opinion about it.


dont let me talk about pvp xD - here we need really any kind of motivation to be active. just yesterday with totombo we didnt found one player to start a game, let it be an example, the situation on pvp looks really not good

and at least; improvements welcome; when i am wrong somewhere, teach me a better one. thx

greetz / hf & gl m8

 

I think you're really missing the spirit, and the point, of the OP initiating this discussion.

Having 6xLvl 40 civ's should not be the baseline for the average player, that is not what the typical/casual player looks like. You're basically as hardcore as someone can get in this game, but hardcore players are not Celeste's core audience. Or, if they are today, then can't remain the core audience over the long run or donations will dry up.

One of the main benefits of resurrecting this game is that now it can be (much) more friendly to casual players, people should not have to play every day or have multiple Lvl 40 civs in order to enjoy decorating their city. Having easier access to vanity items is just the sort of thing that (lots of) casual players enjoy, and if it's easier for them to decorate their units and cities then they're more likely to stick around.

One of the main problems under the original game was that casual players had to pay money or they had to live with boring looking, cookie cutter, cities and that is a problem that can be fixed in this new version of the game.

Having "too much EP" is only a "problem" for a hardcore player. I suggest as food for thought that you need to think about what the player experience is like for people who are not you, those are the people that the OP is thinking and talking about.

But for casual players it is expensive, which was one of the big problems with the game under Microsoft. There was a large group of people who resented the way that M$ tried to suck every nickel out of their pockets with abusive and excessive micro transactions. If one of the goals of this new version is to make the game more friendly and more fun for a wider audience, not just for the hardcore players, then making it easier to get decorations and vanity items is good for the whole community.

The only time that hardcore players can support a game by themselves is when the game is pay2win, and the hardcore whales keep spending to keep the money flowing. But in a free2play game that is not pay2win, it's important to work hard at making casual players feel welcome and give them a good experience, and that's especially true when the game lives on donations. This is not a commercial game, there is no premium content, and therefore there is no way to monetize giving players premium access, the life of the game depends on people donating because the game gives them the experience they want.

 

Hi m8,

You know about; Decoration blueprints from empire bazar?

Having 6x lvl40 civs makes me hardcore player?

I argue to not decrease in general, i dont argue for the advantage of any "hardcore players" or anything in that direction.

If u look closer, u will see that this game is very casual player friendly, as u say too.

And as an example when a casual player wants to play solo rather than in coop for 60ep, thats hes choice.

At the end of day, someone who plays more, time effective will earn more, thats fact.

Last thing, the devs doing very nice work at any direction of this game. Only advertising fail, but ok, i understand why and dont saying anything.

My last post 20 weeks ago xD

Ohh wait i remember where i would argue to increase ep:
Norse line / well of urd, large map bonus; 60ep up to 100ep

hf & gl / greetz.

 

@Pipinghot You do raise good points, though I do think the devs have already taken some steps to alleviate the issue you mention, and there is always the problem of hyperinflating the currencies. Ideally, having a few more gold-purchaseable or either-currency-purchaseable cosmetics (the devs have already addressed this to an extent, and creating new textures is a shit-ton of work), having some more repeatable quests targetted at lower level and lower skill level players, and having a conversion system that does also take a reasonable cut-working as a currency sink for both currencies, can help the game appeal to a casual audience. The only ways to make 6civ-production not "the standard" would be to only allow it on one/two/x civ/s or make crafting that useless nobody bothers.

Perhaps better promotion of how the end of season rewards for 1v1/2v2/Solo Crete/Co-op Crete work could help too. (And maybe looking at adding more leaderboards for certain repeatables, or new events). Every 6 weeks you can get a MINIMUM of 450EP+25000G for getting a ranking on all 4 leaderboards. (Imagine what someone like LzeuzL gets when they get multiple 1sts and other top10s. If it's an economically savvy and active player getting that much at once it can really impact the economy)

 

Empire Points are no longer acting as a premium currency, they are now acting as a "login reward" as well as a secondary currency for advanced/difficult quests.

That is their purpose for the Project Celeste team at this point in time.