Suggestion for PVP, to make it easier and/or more attractive to get games and try PVP.

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by ByFstugan, Sep 1, 2021.

  1. ByFstugan

    ByFstugan Immortal

    Nov 17, 2017
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    Here are my suggestion to make PVP more attractive to new/PVE players.

    1) Keep ratings between seasons so you for real can see difference on good, inter and bad players. As it is not the rating don't say very much at all for many players, and never will - it's only the very top that's decently reliable (many can be to low for having bad luck being paired with the top more than others).
    *You can have a seasonal ALSO for the rewards as usual, but the unscrubbed one is the one used for matchmaking.

    2) Fix a lobby system (like Voobly has for AoE2) so a n00b can open a room, enter a description and settings for map, and advertise with text that it's for players below a certain rating. This would be an alternative way to find games, and also help you avoid to start a game you never wanted to end up in to start with.
    *Pr0's can do same in other direction ofc.
    **There should be a rated alternative as well as an unrated one, where the later COULD be linked to your arena in the Capital, but shown in an alternative building in a list with other hosted games in Sparta, where you also could host a game without using your arena. Though you should still be able to host fully private games from your arena, or simply keep it only to that and make the lobby only in Sparta.

    3) To lower the threshold into PVP I think AoEo should have same base stats as PVE, or rather the other way around where PVP is the standard. For many it's not easy to even dare to test PVP, but when you basically must relearn every techtree it's fifty times worse.
    *If any gear in PVE gets OP due to this it's the gear that will be nerfed, or boosted if it's other way around.

    4) Make an feature to spectate all PVP to increase both the social part of the game as well as inspire more to engage in PVP. Hence a way to see a list of all active games and ability to join them where they're at is the way this should be solved. Spectators should be able to chat with eachother but not players, as well as mute all/people if they just wanna watch the game with peace and quiet (and unmute if change mind).
    *Again I want to refere to which have had this since many years for AoE2, and it's been VERY good for the communitys inner life.
    **There the host decides if spectate should be possible (usally are), and anyone joining such a game know that due to settings saying so.
    ***Also the host can set a time for delay so spectate-cheating should be much harder.

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    Why do I write this? I've played AoE1/AoE2 since 1998/2002, and there I've only played PVP (and been clanleader of the largest and oldest swedish clan since 1st year). Though I think AoEo favors PVE MUCH more than AoE1&2 does, PVP has some life/adrenaline to it that PVE never can get. However - due to the lack of chance to meet players on same level, as well as the "relearn all civs elelement" - I really feel that PVP as it is today feel far from intresting, eventhough I love RTS PVP (with even games). The rewards for event is a good tool here, but FAR from enough to keep me there outside the events.
    #1 ByFstugan, Sep 1, 2021 at 4:02 AM
    Last edited: Sep 1, 2021
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  3. frogs.poison

    frogs.poison Immortal

    May 19, 2020
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    In terms of the tech tree, I feel it should be the opposite - Start moving some of the PvE tech to it's PvP equivalent, and add techs that are currently Champion-mode only to PvE. While some PvE things should stay PvE (For instance, Wall techs, which are significantly nerfed in PvP, but PvP walls would fall to a few pokes from an Elite Spearman, should remain as is), a good number of PvP techs would be nice - Hunting Dogs for instance, in which both the much cheaper cost, as well as the added conservation would greatly improve it's usability on a significantly larger number of PvE maps (Pretty much every original map doesn't have enough huntables for the tech to be worth using, and some amount of celeste map also lack the huntables for the tech to be worth using)
  4. Ardeshir

    Ardeshir Immortal

    Apr 8, 2019
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    Personally I like the idea of both seasonal and long-term stats, and I think long term PvP stats tracking is in the works by development.

    I like 2. I just wonder how hard it'd be to get implemented. Having the lobbies/games page other RTS games are known for in the arena UI would be nicer than having to spam lfg and pvp for arena games (both looking for player and looking for group!), competing with the sparta queue PvPers and all the Co-op Questers (in lfg) doing the same.

    I'm with Frogs on 3. Aside from the odd slip up which ends up being mitigated after we abuse it against other longterm pvpers for a bit, AOEO PvP is really well balanced and ever-adapting to improvements in the player meta. If anything, a lot of PvP QoL like improvements to hunting dogs, storehouse build time reduction, unit train time changes, upgrade additions and split ups, especially the scout healing tech, the war dog 2nd upgrade with pierce armor and another +12 unit capacity (if this comes to PvE, Vemundr can be nerfed as a trade-off and now dogs can be used as a supporting unit on other builds), and the Celt bard hall techs would be really nice to see in PvE.

    Unit item, advisor and milestone bonuses turn PvP silly, BUT some of the advisor units scaled to somewhere around their common or uncommon stats could be cool to see in the PvP tech tree for Egyptians and Celts.

    The game at it's core was first designed to allow for spectating, given how much it piggybacks off the AoM/AoE3 engine, but then that was all scrapped before the release of the game/upon fleshing out of the itemization. Celeste devs have tried re-implementing spectating, but it's incompatible with the game's item system and multiple modes/forms of balance. Too much back end work trying to get it fixed (for now).
    #3 Ardeshir, Sep 1, 2021 at 9:34 AM
    Last edited: Sep 1, 2021
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