Legendary quest are almost impossible for anyone but people who play 24/7

Hey Josh,
I'm not really a PvEer myself, but to my knowledge the only legendary quest that should take you an hour or more to do is Valley of the Kings (VoK). There are a few folks that make youtube and twitch playthrough videos and guides for elite and legendary quest content.

Finishedblock21 video for Soloi

Psychosaurus video for Impossible Cataclysm

Vick video for Valley of the Kings

Geese streaming Holy Man, A New Rebellion and Liberating Memphis

Finishedblock21 streaming Liberating the Lower Nile, Liberating Giza, Liberating Sais, Liberating Memphis

It's probably worth trying to COOP them the first few times round, until you learn each of their map layouts and recommended strategies

 

Perhaps you're best off pushing for more repeatable normal and elite level 40 quests than attempting to dumb down legendaries. I don't mean to offend, it's not my preferred playstyle either (I'm an advanced level PvPer, we play even faster than this, but around a completely different economic style and balance patch), but taking this away from those that do enjoy playing like this is wrong, in my opinion. Like I said, an expansion to repeatable quests in normal and elite variants, perhaps even slight rewards buffs/improvements, is certainly preferrable to making legendary quests easier. Especially when the legendary runners are pretty much all saying they'd like future releases to be as hard as Valley of the Kings.

 

Sure, regular legendary runners are limited number of players. However, players that are unwilling to learn to become better are also a limited number of players. Most players are in the middle, learning and getting better, so that they don't take 3 hours to do legendary quests.

If all else fails, co-op.

 

Like I said, ask for a normal or elite version of the quests you claim are too hard, before pushing for removing content for those that want to clear it in it's current state. Or ask for a small buff/improvement to the chest drops or currency rewards from pre-legendary content. There already has been a lot of discussion about toning down the rewards from legendary quests in order to make it fair for people that play normal/elite PvE, and for PvPers, who are honestly the people most overlooked by the dev team (out of necessity too, I might add). I personally do disagree with some aspects of design philosophy like the existence of elite units from enemy ai without the player also having the ability to upgrade individual units (at a fair cost) to also be elite. But I'd replace them with harder AI in any quest where they have a more than 5% chance of spawning. I've probably put more effort than anyone outside the dev team in trying to create randomized quests that don't utilise elite units, and still will work away at "fixing" the athensloader to eventually be able to accomplish this, as someone with no formal IT qualifications.

You can get legendary gear from Non-legendary quests too btw. It's not exactly fair on the people that want to clear the hard content to give them equal rewards to those that don't.

 

I'm not sure about that ?? I mean there are loads of "Elite" Quests, Co Op, PvP and Cyprus where you can define how hard it is (more or less) or add an AI partner ...It's always hard to discuss how hard quests should be, would be nice if there was a slider then everyone could find a sweet spot. I have medical issues that slow me down so I can solo a few Legs but mostly co op. ( I was so long out of action I lost my partners and got slower lol) .
However, If you can beat every quest every time then I personally think that would drive more people away. It's an emotive point

PS if all else fails consumables

 

I mean legendary quests are called legendary for a reason , they are not called "Casual: More Mad Medians".

You need to see the overall perspective, like imagine your request was to a football team. "Playing casually 1 hour per day and expect to play in the FIFA league" .. you see my point ? You are trying to aim yourself at content you are probably not ready to tackle.

Sure some players have great gear cuz they farmed a lot ... it is because they have put the work and effort into getting better and need that gear to finish hardest of the hardest quests. Their better gear is a reward for their time invested and their progress as a player.

Not all legendary quests are insane, some are easier you need to see which one of them you can tackle reasonably.

Legendary quests are NOT designed to be a solo thing. They are suppose to be the hardest of the hardest of the missions and are designed to be tackled by 2 very trained players. Once you manage to learn how to do em , they tend to no longer be that hard over time.

If it helps , i am also married and i also play about 8 hours per week, yes i do play with my wife, but she does understand that legendary quests are not for her level of skill. I am that type of person that does 1000 clicks per minute (as you said), but that is because i really wanted to do legendary quests, so i had to train myself to reach that level with a lot of fails that i had to stop and learn from (not just idly bash my head over and over again, brainless, until a struck of luck happened).

I have about 650-750 gear score , which for some it is extremely low, but i can do all legendary quests , and i can tell you right now you don't need more than about 200.000 gold to fully gear out an entire civ to be able to do any legendary quests at high level. You just need to approach this with a clear mind, set a goal and realise your own level potential and work on things you need to improve ... it is just that simple !

 

Microsoft content, including legendaries, has not been touched. Many, if not most, of Celeste legendaries are not more difficult than classic legendaries. The recent difficulty rating of legendary quests completed by all players, attests to that. If you enjoyed the game back then, you can surely enjoy it now. Just because the game is now free, it doesn't mean it should be nerfed to the ground. And your assumption that all good pve players are jobless and devoting 24h to the game, is plainly wrong.

 

you cant expect them to completely alter the game just because youre bad. you dont need good gear for legendary quests. they are all doable without any gear at all which isnt easy ofc but its doable. so basically, all you need is like, blue gear and youre good to go if youre willing to spend half the time improving that you spend on complaining online.

 

Thank you for saying this. I have a wife and a full time job as well as I'm sure many good players do.

For most PVE players breezing through legendaries is casual and not something they're putting their full focus into.

Long story short, OP just needs to git gud.

 

@Joshua turner
After reading the op and responses, I will say that legendary quests are tough (as they are meant to be) and are also tough for casual players especially for those of us that want to "play and relax". These legendary quests are not meant to relax and turtle through them. These are meant to challenge us and make us move our mouse 1000 times a minute [see warlock_ant streams =) ]

These quests make us Multitask like a mothafkr lol. I understand what you mean but using hotkeys, spending resources, advancing your base, deleting villagers to make pop space, spamming 1 or 2 units are all strategies and are needed especially to meet the Timed optional objectives.

And taking shots at players ain't cool bro. Leave that sh*t for LoL, Fortnite or COD. Don't bring it to aoe. There are some players willing to show others the ropes on quests, even carry players through some. It's not how many times you get knocked down that count, it's how many times you get back up!

 

Perhaps we should consider the wisdom of the venerable Bahram, long may he live, who doth sayeth:

"it is easier for a camel to talk in a sandstorm, than to complete a Legendary quest without a winning strategy"

afterall it is a realtime strategy game

that was then and now is now .....

 

When waiting to play what is your goal?
1. To get the items to maybe do more quest later or
2. To beat legendary?

If 1. Then do those easy quests from the alliance like persian coersion and the pharaoh, etc... they give good drops and are fast...
Also persian corrsian will make you want to assign number to buildings to train faster thus improve..

2. If you want to beat legendaries... then you need to learn strategies and not all legendaries are the same.
Read the pvp guide, it also contains great info about how to play the game for beginners, intermediate and expert. For example one of the worst things that is done is not focusing on deer instead of berries, read them all they are very good.

As for legendaries, they can be very different and limit the type of units to play or how to play, sometimes you need towers, sometimes infantry, ranged, etc...

Play to your advantage, get better items, learn some trick and play together... this will make you win

 

Last night I played co op with Finishblock21 ... fastest Leg in the west .... I am impared with my left hand but if you can support co op is the wtg

 

I recommend Soloi, It's a nice one to show your progress. The secondary objective( 15min ) is probably impossible for a beginner but you can make your owns objectives.
For example.
first try: kill general
second: destroy first fortress
third try, destroy second fortress
and so on...
I did that and after some fails, i was able to finish it under 40 min
until you finish it , you'll probably know the advisors / milestones / gears you need to optimize and then switch on coop mode to do the secondary objective.

 

To be honest, the absolute best begginer legendary is.. Renegade Escapade.

While it's the easiest of all Legendaries, is pretty representative of what to expect from pretty much all Legendaries - Established enemy base with walls, a boss to kill, buildings to destroy, and fairly consistent waves sent your way from the enemy.

It even gives you the full, complete resource set - Gold, enough room and ability to make caravans (Keep in mind that the "Villager and Spearman" only bonus does allow you to make Caravans, Fishing Boats, and Ox Carts, so you can get up a caravan chain), decent ability to wall yourself off, and even single-unit spam via Spearman bonus. It even has 2 standard legendary camps for you to do!